Saturday, 2 January 2010

Only 42% of Swine Flu hospitalisation in Ireland are not healthy

WHO put the figure at 20 - 50% as those hospitalised without any
health pre-conditions to have died, which supports the figure in
Ireland.

Healthy people may also be hospitalised but they survive more than non-
healthy people but not by much.


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/swine-flu-death-rate-here-one--of-highest-in-europe-1996329.html

Swine flu death rate here one of highest in Europe
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By Eilish O'Regan
Saturday January 02 2010
THE death toll here from swine flu is disproportionately high compared
with other European states.

A total of 22 people have died here as a result of the virus, putting
Ireland 12th in Europe for fatalities. In contrast, the Netherlands,
with a population of more than 16.5 million people, has had just 52
deaths.

A table, covering 29 countries, was released by the the European
Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

It sets out the number of reported deaths up to Christmas Eve from the
pandemic virus that caused a worldwide alert last year.

It comes as the Department of Health has reported no new deaths from
swine flu in the Republic over Christmas, during which time the spread
of the disease fell significantly, affecting 1,034 people compared
with more than 2,000 the previous week.

Lethal

However, although the trends are reassuring, the latest European
report reveals how the virus, although mild for most sufferers, has
been lethal for at least 832 people. It has claimed the most lives in
Britain (156), followed by France (150), Germany (123), the
Netherlands (52) and Greece (49).

During Christmas, 149 Irish people remained hospitalised with swine
flu and 10 of these were seriously ill in intensive care.

According to the European report, Bulgaria continues to have a high
intensity of swine flu along with Greece.

Ireland is categorised as having medium intensity, while countries
seeing relatively low spread of the virus include Britain, Belgium,
the Netherlands and Cyprus.

The age groups who most needed to be hospitalised with the virus in
the Republic so far have been children under 15 years of age followed
by people under 24 years of age. The lowest rate has been among people
over 65. About 42pc of those who were hospitalised had pre-existing
conditions such as chronic heart disease, liver disease, kidney
disease, asthma and diabetes.

The rate of swine flu illness has been highest in the west and south
of the country, while the midlands has seen the lowest level of swine
flu infections.

Up to last Sunday, the rate of infection among the 0-4 years of age
group also fell to 27.6 per 100,000 compared with 113.7 per 100,000
for the previous week. The rate among the 5-14 years of age group also
halved to 19.2 per 100,000.

The closure of schools and creches due to the holiday season was
expected to be one of the factors leading to the drop among young
children and teenagers. The department stressed, however, that the
rates among children under five years of age were still relatively
high.

"Children in this age group are more at risk of being hospitalised
from flu complications and the department and the Health Service
Executive would urge all parents to arrange to have their children
under five vaccinated as soon as possible," a spokesman said.

"The vaccine programme through schools will resume after the holidays.
Babies aged under six months cannot get the swine flu vaccine, but we
will offer a vaccine to everyone living with a child under six months
to protect the baby. Appointments can be made for a vaccination clinic
on www.swineflu.ie or by contacting the HSE Information Line on 1850
24 1850."

The Irish Medicines Board said that up to last Wednesday, 907 reports
of suspected adverse reactions to the swine flu vaccine were received.

The reports received remained consistent with the expected pattern of
adverse effects for the pandemic vaccines. The benefits versus the
risks of both vaccines remained positive, said the spokesman.

- Eilish O'Regan

Irish Independent

Anti Swine Flu vaccine is active in USA

This so called Dr. Mercola even denied that there had ever been a 2nd
wave of Swine Flu deaths in USA.

Even wikipedia is dominated by these idiotic Americans, using
expressions like "a fraction", " a small percentage" to describe the
death statistics of a 7 month Swine Flu versus 12 month Common Flu.

Imagine, saying 20% of healthy individuals dying from Swine Flu can be
considered as a small fraction.
10,000 estimated Swine Flu deaths is a small percentage of the 36,000
estimated Common Flu deaths.

Only idiots will consider these figures as a fraction or small
percentage, but this view is dominating the Wikipedia.
Similar to the view that England is not an International Football
team.

Since there is excess vaccine in USA and CAnada, it is time for the
developing nations to get these vaccines on the cheap. Malaysia should
seek these same vaccines because they are well proven already, unlike
some batches of vaccines. We don't have to wait for March to get our
Swine Flu vaccine.

http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non-food/Healthcare/harvard_says_swine_flu_was_oversold_0201100713.html

Harvard Takes it Back and Says Swine Flu was Oversold
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Posted by: Dr. Mercola
January 02 2010


A new analysis from Harvard University, using H1N1 deaths in the U.S.
in the spring and projecting likely outcomes for this fall, suggests
that the swine flu "pandemic" has been oversold.
The new paper suggests swine flu was unlikely to create a severe
epidemic. In light of this, officials have taken many steps that may
have been unnecessary, including mass vaccinations.

It is not clear how H1N1 will act in the coming months, but swine flu
cases seem to have already hit their peak.


Sources:


ABC News December 8, 2009

Dr. Mercola's Comments:


While many so-called scientific experts have criticized me and others
who have spoken out about the fear-mongering and senseless mass-
vaccination campaign surrounding the swine flu, more of the scientific
community is now coming to the same conclusions we've been talking
about for months.
The swine flu pandemic was a pandemic that never materialized, just
exactly as I predicted.

Now it looks as though the H1N1 scare of 2009 will go down as one of
the biggest government and pharmaceutical scams ever, renewing a
healthy, and necessary, skepticism about government fear-mongering,
the swine flu vaccine and the dubious dealings behind the
implementation of worldwide mass-vaccination programs.

It started last month when British and French media began saying the
H1N1 pandemic has been "hyped" by medical researchers to further their
own cause, boost research grants and line the pockets of drug
companies.

Ontario health officials have also declared H1N1 a "dud" pandemic,
stating the huge government investment made so far may have been
unjustified. And now, a new study by researchers at Harvard University
and the Medical Research Council Biostatistics Unit in the U.K. is
finding that this "pandemic" was never a cause for alarm.

After analyzing H1N1 deaths in the United States in the spring, then
projecting outcomes for this past fall, they found the fu season
should have been no different than a typical flu season -- and
possibly even milder than average!

Early Studies Showed H1N1 Was NOT Dangerous or Highly Contagious

In the beginning, even before it was declared a level 6 pandemic by
the World Health Organization (WHO), a group of "scientists" were
sounding the alarm that this might indeed be the terrifying, deadly
pandemic they had been expecting for over half a century.

We were told that young, healthy people, pregnant women and small
children were falling ill and quickly dying, and the virus was
spreading rapidly. They even suggested it could mutate into an even
more dangerous form that could kill countless numbers of people.

Well, Dr. Russell Blaylock recently shared some information that shows
health officials knew very early on that H1N1 was probably not much
more of a threat than the seasonal flu that surfaces every year. He
says:

"Once the pandemic had been declared, virologists tested the potency
of this virus using a conventional method, that is, infecting ferrets
with the virus. What they found was that the H1N1 virus was no more
pathogenic than the ordinary seasonal flu, even though it did
penetrate slightly deeper into the lungs.

It in no way matched the pathogenecity of the 1917-1918 H1N1 virus. It
also did not infect other tissues, and especially important, it did
not infect the brain.

Next, they wanted to test the ability of the virus to spread among the
population. The results of their tests were conflicting, but the best
evidence indicated that the virus did not spread to others very well.

In fact, an unpublished study by the CDC found that when one member of
a family contracted the H1N1 virus, other members of the family were
infected only 10% of the time -- a very low communicability."

Of course, nothing sells vaccines like panic, so you likely did not
hear about this in the media. That is, until now.

The CDC Was Way Off … Why are They Still Pushing the Vaccine?
The CDC previously estimated that the U.S. death toll from the swine
flu would be around 90,000. Even using their own bloated numbers --
some 80 percent of which are in all likelihood unrelated to H1N1 --
9,820 people have actually died from H1N1 from April through November.

That would STILL, according to their own statistics stating that the
flu kills 36,000 Americans a year, put us squarely in the middle of
the mildest flu season in recent memory.

Meanwhile, the CDC's own data states that flu activity is continuing
to fall across the United States, with only 11 states still reporting
widespread flu activity as of mid-December.

Yet, they are still touting the H1N1 vaccine as the best way to
protect against this "pandemic" virus.

Well, as the word continues to get out that swine flu is another
"pandemic" that never was … ranking right up there with the bird flu
hoax back in 2005 … it looks as though the CDC is going to have a heck
of a lot of surplus H1N1 vaccines on their hands.

So now they are stating that supplies of H1N1 vaccine are increasing
and many places have opened up vaccination to anyone who wants it.
Fortunately, many do not.

But the U.S. federal government has contracts to purchase 250 million
doses of swine flu vaccine, which may explain why the Los Angeles
Times recently reported that:

"Health officials' biggest fear now is that, with the perception that
the pandemic is waning, many people will decide they don't need the
vaccine."

That the swine flu is "waning" is not a perception, it's a fact, but
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is not giving up
on selling those shots, either. She stated in a news conference:

"We have a wonderful window of opportunity to prevent or lessen a
third wave."

A third wave?

Excuse me, but we're still waiting for the first and second to show
up!

So it appears the WHO and governments around the world are going to
keep pushing their H1N1 vaccines through the winter and into spring,
even though swine flu cases are dwindling and are nowhere near what
you would call a true, dangerous pandemic.

The latest news confirms that H1N1 peaked in October.

In Britain, health authorities' original worst-case scenario -- which
said as many as 65,000 could die from H1N1 -- has twice been revised
down and the prediction is now for around 1,000 deaths. This is way
below their average annual toll of 4,000 to 8,000 deaths from seasonal
flu.

And the National Institute for Health and Welfare in Finland actually
removed swine flu from a list of diseases considered dangerous to the
public -- and that was back in July!

So I have just one further sentiment I'd like to say to the media and
health officials in the United States who are still trying to
perpetuate the swine flu myth:

… It's time to let it go now -- the jig is up.

Lessons of the Swine Flu Pandemic in USA

Please note that the fatality rate in USA is twice that in UK because
USA didn't use Tamilflu quickly enough.
In fact, 30% doctors didn't prescribe Tamilflu to patients that had
been admitted to hospitals with flu symptoms.

Even UK hesitated on prescribing Tamilflu causing many unnecessary
deaths unlike Japan that had steadfastly prescribe Tamilflu even for
common flu that can also kill. The lowest fatality rate of Swine Flu
in Japan is testimony of the effectiveness of Tamilflu. I also
witnessed the effectiveness of Tamilflu when given quickly, i.e. less
than 48 hours. The later Tamilflu were given, the longer it takes for
the flu symptoms to disappear.

However, it is not over yet in USA. Vaccination rate in USA is less
than 50% unlike Canada and the peak flu season is not over yet, i.e.
late January. Let us see if those who are anti-vaccination can survive
longer.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/02/health/02flu.html

U.S. Reaction to Swine Flu: Apt and Lucky
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By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Published: January 1, 2010
Although it is too early to write the obituary for swine flu, medical
experts, already assessing how the first pandemic in 40 years has been
handled, have found that while luck played a part, a series of rapid
but conservative decisions by federal officials worked out better than
many had dared hope.

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The supply of swine flu vaccine was far below expectations, but
experts say the pandemic was still generally well managed.
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Signs Swine Flu Wave May Have Peaked in U.S. (November 21, 2009)
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Brendan Smialowski for The New York Times
Public health officials have been credited with quickly debunking
misinformation that arose at the height of the pandemic.
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Béatrice de Géa for The New York Times
The decision to order vaccine made with a 50-year-old egg technology,
rather than experimental methods, was controversial.
The outbreak highlighted many national weaknesses: old, slow vaccine
technology; too much reliance on foreign vaccine factories; some major
hospitals pushed to their limits by a relatively mild epidemic.

But even given those drawbacks, "we did a lot of things right,"
concluded Dr. Andrew T. Pavia, chairman of the pandemic flu task force
of the Infectious Diseases Society of America.

Federal officials deserve "at least a B-plus," said Dr. William
Schaffner, chairman of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University's
medical school.

Even Dr. Peter Palese, a leading virologist at Mount Sinai Medical
School, who can be a harsh critic of public policies he disagrees
with, called the government's overall response "excellent."

About 10,000 people had died by mid-November, the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention estimated; the pandemic seems unlikely to reach
even the lower end of a forecast of 30,000 to 90,000 deaths made in
August by the President's Council of Advisers on Science and
Technology.

The virus and the vaccine cooperated. While the former proved highly
transmissible in children, it was only rarely lethal, remained
susceptible to drugs and has not thus far mutated into an
unpredictable monster. Vaccine supply was a problem, but one small
dose was enough. (By contrast, an experimental avian flu vaccine
protected people only when it was six times as strong.)

For that reason, the relatively cautious decisions by the nation's
medical leadership contained the pandemic with minimal disruption to
the economy.

For example, in the early days, they ignored advice to close the
Mexican border and pre-emptively shut school systems. They released
part of the national Tamiflu stockpile, but did not give it to
millions of healthy people prophylactically, as Britain did. They
ordered vaccine made with a 50-year-old egg technology rather than
experimental methods. They bought adjuvants — chemical "boosters" —
that could have stretched the first 25 million vaccine doses into 100
million, but did not use them for fear of triggering a backlash among
Americans made nervous by the messages of the antivaccine movement.

To alert the public without alarming it, a stream of officials — from
doctors in the navy blue and scrambled-eggs gold of the Public Health
Service to a somber President Obama in the White House — offered
updates, at least twice a week for months.

It is now clear that this is the least lethal modern pandemic. The flu
appears to kill about one of every 2,000 people who get it, American
researchers say. (British researchers found half that death rate.) By
contrast, the Spanish flu of 1918 killed about 50 of every 2,000, and
the 1957 and 1968 pandemics killed about 4 of every 2,000.

The flu has reached more than 200 countries and is still peaking in
places like Eastern Europe and Russia. Even though there was no
vaccine yet, it killed fewer than expected during the Southern
Hemisphere's winter, June through August.

Officials in the United States conceded that some mistakes were made.

For example, they could have spotted the new virus earlier if there
had been better cooperation with Mexico. In late April, the United
States isolated it in samples from Texas and California just as
Canadian officials were testing Mexican ones. The outbreak probably
began in rural Mexico in January, but was spotted only when thousands
fell ill in late March or early April in Mexico City.

The C.D.C. tests viruses in Southeast Asia, where new flus are usually
born. "This time," said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the C.D.C. director,
"one happened to emerge in a place where we don't have a surveillance
system."

Also, the government predicted in early summer that it would have 160
million vaccine doses by late October. It ended up with less than 30
million, leading to a public outcry and Congressional investigations.

"Imagine if they'd managed the expectations better," said Michael T.
Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and
Policy at the University of Minnesota. "If they'd said, 'We won't have
any till December,' and had some in October, they would have looked
like heroes."

Robin Robinson, chief of vaccine purchasing for the Department of
Health and Human Services, was the most overly optimistic. In an
interview, Dr. Robinson said he had actually tried to be conservative,
assuming that manufacturers would get 1.4 doses per egg, when they
typically got two or more.

Until the eggs could be tested in August, "we didn't know that we had
one of the poorest-producing viruses in the last 50 years," he said.
Good batches had 0.6 doses per egg, he said, bad ones had 0.2.

If he had it to do over again, he said, "I'd factor in the worst-case
scenario — which was 2009."

Another controversial decision — sending a few early vaccine doses to
Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs and Citibank — was more of a bad
public relations move than a bad public health one, experts said. That
choice was made by the New York City Health Department, "and we made
the decision not to second-guess local health authorities," Kathleen
Sebelius, secretary of health and human services, said in an
interview.

The government allotted vaccine to states based on population size.
Some local health officials had thousands line up in parking lots for
shots, some sent teams into schools and some relied on private
doctors.

Distribution of the vaccine could have been focused more precisely,
experts said, directing it to hospitals first, or to doctors treating
children and pregnant women, or to cities with big outbreaks.

"I still think sending it out on a per capita basis was the fairest
and most equitable way," Ms. Sebelius said.

The early combination of fears about the vaccine and anger over
shortages, said Dr. Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at
Children Hospital of Philadelphia, reminded him of an old Borscht Belt
joke: "The food at this resort is so terrible," one patron complains.
"Yes," agrees her companion. "And such small portions!"

One real triumph, several experts said, was how little damage
misinformation did. In 1976, many people refused shots after three
elderly Pittsburgh residents died shortly after getting theirs; it
took the C.D.C. five days to explain that it was just a coincidence.

This time, many rumors arose but were quickly debunked: That thousands
had died in Mexico. That the virus had circulated in the Midwest for a
decade, undetected. That it had escaped from a laboratory. That
seasonal flu shots made catching swine flu more likely. That flu shots
did not work or caused autism. That the administration would make them
mandatory. That Tamiflu resistance was widespread in Northern
California. That a flu shot had disabled a Washington Redskins
cheerleader, or that she was cured by chelation therapy by a doctor
associated with the antivaccine movement. That mutant killer flu
strains were circulating in Argentina or Ukraine or North Carolina.

The debunking succeeded, Dr. Osterholm said, "despite the fact that
there are many fewer reporters who understand medical issues than
there used to be."

This time, both the C.D.C. and the World Health Organization responded
quickly to almost every rumor. At the epidemic's height, they held
several news conferences a week, taking questions by phone from all
over the world.

They also invited dozens of reporters to daylong seminars on influenza
at C.D.C. headquarters in Atlanta and to exercises around the country
led by the former anchorman Forrest Sawyer, at which they debated, for
example, whether a miscarriage by one woman after getting a flu shot
was a big scoop or a nonstory.

Remaining to be seen is what effect the pandemic has had on Americans'
feelings about vaccines.

Dr. Frieden said he thought a victory over the antivaccine movement
had been scored. Nearly 60 million people have been vaccinated,
including many pregnant women and children, with no surge in side
effects.

John P. Moore, an AIDS researcher at Weill Cornell Medical College,
was less sure. Dr. Moore, who spent years fighting AIDS denialism, has
called skepticism about flu vaccine "an unholy alliance of the left
and right" because it joined the liberal natural-medicine proponents
with anti-big-government conservatives.

"It's hard to say if it hurt or helped," Dr. Moore said, pointing out
that polls still show a large minority of Americans rejecting the
vaccine. "As with AIDS, people have to die before others understand
the consequences of ignoring science-based medicine."

Friday, 1 January 2010

World watches while Israel commits Genocide

That includes Malaysians.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/opinion/?id=36454

First Published 2009-12-31

When Does It Become Genocide?


More people have started to apply the term 'genocide' to what Israel
is doing to Gaza. Israel would not directly kill tens of thousands of
Palestinians, but it would create the conditions for tens of thousands
to die. Any epidemic could finish the job, notes Nadia Hijab.


During a visit to Ramallah a year ago while the Israeli bombardment of
Gaza was underway, I shared my fears with a close Palestinian friend.
"It may sound insane, but I think the Israelis' real objective is to
see them all dead."

My friend told me not to be silly, the assault was horrific, but it
was not mass killing. I said that wasn't the issue: This was a
population already very vulnerable to disease, ill-health, and
malnutrition after years of siege, with its infrastructure rotted, its
water and food contaminated. Israel's war would surely push the people
over the brink, especially if the siege was maintained -- as it has
been.

In other words, Israel would not directly kill tens of thousands of
Palestinians, but it would create the conditions for tens of thousands
to die. Any epidemic could finish the job. My friend fell silent at
these words, but still shook his head in disbelief.

Two things have changed since last year: More people have started to
apply the term "genocide" to what Israel is doing to Gaza. And not
only is Israel being directly accused but also, increasingly, Egypt.

Is it genocide? "The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of
the Crime of Genocide" -- a clear, concise document adopted by the
United Nations in December 1948 -- states that genocide is any of five
acts committed "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a
national, ethnical, racial or religious group."

Three acts appear to apply to the situation in Gaza: "(a) Killing
members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to
members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group
conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction
in whole or in part."

Legal scholars disagree about how to interpret the Convention's
articles and it has proven difficult, over the years, to define crimes
as genocide, let alone to prevent or end them. In line with the Bosnia
precedent -- the only authoritative legal treatment of genocide to
date -- it would be necessary to establish deliberate intent for an
accusation of genocide against Israel to stand up in court.

Israel's leadership has not, of course, issued a declaration of
intent. However, many leading Israeli officials can be said to have
done so. For example:

• Putting the Palestinians of Gaza "on a diet" -- Dov Weisglass, chief
aide to Ariel Sharon, in 2006.

• Exposing them to "a bigger shoah (holocaust)" -- Matan Vilnai,
former deputy defense minister, in 2008.

• Issuing religious edits exhorting soldiers to show no mercy -- the
Israeli army rabbinate during the actual conflict.

Such declarations echo at least three of the "8 stages of genocide"
identified by Genocide Watch president Gregory Stanton in the 1990s
after the Rwanda genocide: Classification, dehumanization, and
polarization.

Then there is the deliberate destruction or barring of means of
sustenance as Israel has done on land and at sea. Already, the
Goldstone Report has said that depriving the Gaza Palestinians of
their means of sustenance, employment, housing and water, freedom of
movement, and access to a court of law, could amount to persecution.

Since the December-January assault, there have been many authoritative
reports by human rights and environmental organizations on the impact
of the war and the ongoing siege on the people, soil, air, and water,
including the increase in cancers, deformed births, and preventable
deaths. The death toll in Gaza from swine flu reached nine in mid-
December and 13 a week later -- an epidemic in waiting.

The eighth stage of genocide Stanton identifies is denial by
perpetrators "that they committed any crimes." Ironically, Stanton
headed the International Association of Genocide Scholars during the
conflict, which shut down discussion of Israel's actions despite
protests by, among others, genocide scholar and author Adam Jones.
Jones and 15 other scholars had posted a declaration stating that
Israeli policies were "too alarmingly close" to genocide to ignore and
calling for an end to the silence.

Alarmingly close is right. Here is how Raphael Lemkin, the Polish-
Jewish legal scholar who pushed for the genocide convention, defined
it in 1943: "genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate
destruction of a nation…. It is intended rather to signify a
coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of
essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of
annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan
would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions,
of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic
existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal
security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the
individuals belonging to such groups."

It is hard to conceive of a better description of what is going on in
Gaza.

All UN member states have the duty to prevent and stop acts of
genocide. What is needed is a country brave enough to take the lead,
before it is too late.

Nadia Hijab is an independent analyst and a senior fellow at the
Institute for Palestine Studies.

Copyright © 2009 Nadia Hijab

Thursday, 31 December 2009

Lowering IPTA Academic requirement will disqualify Malaysia's Engineering

Proposal to evaluate the award of IPTA degrees based only on 70%
academic achievement will mean that Malaysian Universities will fail
the Washington Accord agreement standards for engineering
qualification.

http://www.washingtonaccord.org/Rules_and_Procedures.pdf
SECTION C – GUIDELINES
1. GRADUATE PROFILE EXEMPLARS

Page 37 of 56


Even hands-on training is limited to 10% of the total credit hours,
let alone extra curricular activities.

If the hands-on exceed 10%, it means that we are training
technologists, i.e. technicians, not engineers. At least that is what
the current EAC director told us, and I happen to agree with him
fully.


http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=465503


IPTA Admission Requirements Reviewed To Meet Job Market Demands -
Saifuddin
KUNDASANG (Sabah), Dec 31 (Bernama) -- The proposal to impose
admission requirement based on 70 per cent academic and 30 per cent co-
curriculum merit for public institutions of higher learning (IPTA) is
being considered to meet job market demands, Deputy Higher Education
Minister Datuk Saifuddin Abdullah said on Thursday.

At present, he said, the admission requirement for matriculation
students and Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) and Sijil Tinggi
Persekolahan Malaysia (STPM) holders was still based on 90 per cent
academic and 10 per cent co-curriculum merit.

"Right now, the selection of students to IPTA is done based on 90 per
cent academic and 10 per cent co-curriculum merit.

"But, once the students are accepted into the university, they will be
evaluated based on 70 per cent academic and 30 per cent co-curriculum
merit.

"When they graduate, the first thing their potential employers will
ask is about their experience and skills, not their academic results,
even for first-class degree holders.

"So, the proposed intake requirement is being considered because the
current job market demands a balance between academic results and co-
curriculum," he said after sending off Mohd Noor Mat Amin on his solo
mission to scale Mount Kinabalu, at the Kinabalu National Park near
here.

Saifuddin said some of the employers had even lamented on the quality
of fresh graduates, especially those who were inactive in co-
curriculum activities.

Hence, the deputy minister called on 152 students associations
nationwide to be proactive in organising more activities to increase
their co-curriculum merit.

-- BERNAMA

Re: Malaysia's court ruling: Allah is not exclusive to Islam

On Dec 31, 9:43 pm, Paul Saccani <sacc...@omen.net.au> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:55:56 -0800 (PST), "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj.
>
> Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >Even in Indonesia, where Allah is used sporadically in the translation
> >of the Bible, its use is discrete and are not meant to mislead, unlike
> >in Malaysia.
>
> >Allah is substituted for Jesus when it should be just god.
>
> Actually, it isn't.

Because you are completely arrogant and ignorant.

>
> >The bible
> >never uses the word Allah as a translation to God. Allah is not a
> >Malay word for God. The Malay word for God is Tuhan.
> >In Malay, Allah is meant to be the God of Muslims.
>
> Which in Islamic theology is the God of Abraham and Jesus - the self
> same God.

That is the god in Islamic theology, but certainly not the Christian
theology.
In Christianity, Jesus is himself the God, which is completely
nonsense in the Malay meaning of the word
Allah.

Prehistoric Arab may have used the word Allah to refer to one
particular god, but Muslim Arabs have redefined the meaning of Allah
to be the one god, according to the Islamic theology.

There is no such confusion in Malay. Allah in Malay is the one god
according to the Islamic theology. There is no pre-Islamic Malay word
for Allah, let alone to describe a deity. Only tuhan(supreme god) or
dewa-dewa. So Allah in Malay is the God as defined in Islamic
theology, not any god or deity.


>
> > Since the bible is
> >to be translated to Malaysian Malay, it must be translated according
> >to the normal rules of translation, not to mislead the readers.
>
> As the bible is a sacred text to Muslims, that is hardly going to
> happen, is it?

What are you trying to imply? You must be abosolutely lying if you
think Muslims consider the current translated bible as SACRED.

Malay muslims respect the translated quran in similar manner to
translated bible, i.e. with cautions. Malay muslims only respect the
original quran in Arabic words despite not understanding many Arabic
words.

This is similar to most Muslims all over the world, even Arabs who may
not completely understand the Arabic words and phrases used in the
Quran.

Any quran, that is to be translated to modern Arabic will never be
respected.
And you expect Muslims to respect the current Bibles in various
translated forms and consider them as sacred?
You are a complete moron.

>
> >Why on Earth should Christians in Malaysia want to use the word Allah
> >to describe God when the correct translation is Tuhan? Unless it is
> >attempting to mislead readers to consider that that Jesus is also the
> >god of the Malays, which is completely nonsense.
>
> Well, you see, there was fellow called Muhammad, and his message was
> that the God of the Christians and the God of the Jews was called
> Allah.

So what you are saying is that Jesus is also the Allah of the Muslims?
Bloody misleading arrogant bastard.

Unless it is the bible of some cultish Christianity that thrive in
Indonesia but this is frowned upon by mainstream Christianity.

I have to agree that these christianity cults who abandon the trinity
concept, and returning to true monotheism, should be allowed to use
the word Allah, but certainly not the bible used by Catholics. This is
true even if they don't accept Muhammad as a prophet.

Catholics and almost all protestants that I can name, believe in the
trinity concept where Jesus(son), Father and (Holy Spirit) are three
separate entities of god, to be treated as one.

From Wikipedia, at the top of Google search list:
"Trinity teaches the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three
persons in one Godhead.[1] "

To use the word Allah for this "Godhead" is just preposterous. It
implies that Jesus is also Allah, which is alien to the Malays.


>
> Some people heeded his message, and today they are called muslims.

You do not understand Islam at all. No wonder you are not a Muslim.
If you accept the true Malay meaning of Allah, I am sure muslims will
call you a Muslim, despite you denying Muhamamd. Got it!!! You don't
have to be a follower of Muhamamd to be called a Muslim, in Islam.

Alas, you and the christians in Malaysia, want to mislead Malays, into
thinking that the trinity, i.e. Jesus, is compatible with the Malay's
Allah, instead of just Tuhan.

If you do not consider this as misleading, you just an arrogant
bastard.


>
> Perhaps you could find someone who knows something about Islam to
> explain this to you?

So you think you know more about Islam than I do? That you don't need
anybody who knows anything about Islam to explain Islamic fundamentals
to you?


>
> >Just because Allah is not exclusive to Islam, does not mean that it
> >can be used without any just cause. Just because Koran is not
> >exclusive to Islam, does not mean that it can be used to translate the
> >word "Bible"  into Koran in Malay. This is what it amounts to.
>
> A reasonably educated Muslim should know better than this.

Yes, but you certainly isn't.

>
> >If the Christians want to translate the Bible to Malay, then use
> >proper Malay words and grammar. Usually poor Malay grammar and words
> >is an insult to the language and customs of the Malays and Muslims.
> >Use the correct word for God, i.e. Tuhan!!!
>
> That would be offensive to anyone who accepts that Muhammad was the
> messenger of God.

So you think Malays don't pray to "Tuhan"? Idiot bastard.
In fact, Malays pray to "Tuhan", not to Allah. Just read a few
prayers written in Malay for you to find out.
Allah is treated more like a name of a god, not the god entity itself.

Even Arabs use the word Ila, for God, not allah, and all muslims must
know how to distinguish between these two words, if not they are not
muslims.

Read the most important phrase in Islam: "La Ila ha ill allah"

Translated into English : No god except Allah.
Malay: Tiada Tuhan melainkan Allah.

Now tell me how can Christians in Malaysia be allowed to use the word
Allah for God when even Muslims use the word Tuhan to refer to God??

Unless they are trying to mislead the Malays about the trinity message
of Christianity.
Any honest person should be able to answer but you certainly are not
honest.

> --
> Cheers
> Paul Saccani
> Perth, Western Australia.

Malaysia's court ruling: Allah is not exclusive to Islam

Even in Indonesia, where Allah is used sporadically in the translation
of the Bible, its use is discrete and are not meant to mislead, unlike
in Malaysia.

Allah is substituted for Jesus when it should be just god. The bible
never uses the word Allah as a translation to God. Allah is not a
Malay word for God. The Malay word for God is Tuhan.

In Malay, Allah is meant to be the God of Muslims. Since the bible is
to be translated to Malaysian Malay, it must be translated according
to the normal rules of translation, not to mislead the readers.

Why on Earth should Christians in Malaysia want to use the word Allah
to describe God when the correct translation is Tuhan? Unless it is
attempting to mislead readers to consider that that Jesus is also the
god of the Malays, which is completely nonsense.

Just because Allah is not exclusive to Islam, does not mean that it
can be used without any just cause. Just because Koran is not
exclusive to Islam, does not mean that it can be used to translate the
word "Bible" into Koran in Malay. This is what it amounts to.

If the Christians want to translate the Bible to Malay, then use
proper Malay words and grammar. Usually poor Malay grammar and words
is an insult to the language and customs of the Malays and Muslims.
Use the correct word for God, i.e. Tuhan!!!

Malaysian court rules Catholic paper can use "Allah"
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KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - A Malaysian court ruled on Thursday that a
Catholic newspaper can use "Allah" to describe God in a surprise
judgment that could allay worries about the erosion of minority rights
in the majority Muslim country.

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The High Court said it was the constitutional right for the Catholic
newspaper, the Herald, to use the word "Allah."

"Even though Islam is the federal religion, it does not empower the
respondents to prohibit the use of the word," said High Court judge
Lau Bee Lan.

Last January, Malaysia banned the use of the word "Allah" by
Christians, saying the use of the Arabic word might offend the
sensitivities of Muslims who make up 60 per cent of Malaysia's 28
million population.

Analysts say cases such as that involving the Herald worry Malaysian
Muslim activists and officials who see using the word Allah in
Christian publications including bibles as attempts to proselytize.

The Herald circulates in Sabah and Sarawak on Borneo Island where most
tribal people converted to Christianity more than a century ago.

In February, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Kuala Lumpur Murphy
Pakiam, as publisher of the Herald, filed for a judicial review,
naming the Home Ministry and the government as respondents.

He had sought to declare that the decision by the respondents
prohibiting him from using the word "Allah" in the Herald was illegal
and that the word "Allah" was not exclusive to Islam.

The Home Minister's decision to ban the use of the word was illegal,
null and void, said Lau.

Lawyers representing the government said they would refer to the Home
Ministry on whether to appeal.

"It is a day of justice and we can say right now that we are citizens
of one nation," said Father Lawrence Andrew, the Herald's editor.

Christians -- including about 800,000 Catholics -- make up about 9.1
percent of Malaysia's population. Malays are by definition Muslims and
are not allowed to convert.

Malaysia was rated as having "very high" government restrictions on
religion in a recent survey by the Pew Forum, bracketing it with the
likes of Iran and Egypt and it was the 9th most restrictive of 198
countries.

Published since 1980, the Herald newspaper is printed in English,
Mandarin, Tamil and Malay. The Malay edition is mainly read by tribes
in the eastern states of Sabah and Sarawak on Borneo Island.

Ethnic Chinese and Indians, who are mainly Christians, Buddhists and
Hindus, have been upset by court rulings on conversions and other
religious disputes as well as demolitions of some Hindu temples.

(Editing by Nick Macfie)